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Post by zeon4eva on Nov 22, 2010 16:11:40 GMT -6
I have discovered a file from Gundam Book that, in detail, explians the organization of Zeon Forces on Earth. I thought it would be useful. *note* Each mobile suit company is made up of three mobile suit teams. Each mobile suit battalion is made up of three mobile suit companies. Each terrestrial mobile division is made up of five divisions
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Post by Evan on Nov 23, 2010 0:09:50 GMT -6
That is pretty dang cool. I've never seen an organizational chart like that for the Zeon like that before.
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Post by Richter on Nov 23, 2010 0:13:06 GMT -6
I didn't know Zeon had an official surface fleet.
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Post by Evan on Nov 23, 2010 0:17:14 GMT -6
Well, apparently they do.
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Post by zeon4eva on Nov 23, 2010 11:27:25 GMT -6
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Post by Hectator on Nov 23, 2010 21:48:49 GMT -6
Heh, well I already knew the organization thingy... though that's mainly because I already had that chart from back when it was on the old White Wolf website forever ago (I think it was that one >.< ) To add to that note: Each MS team is made up of five MS - three main machines/pilots, and two reserve machines/pilots. However due to the 60% operating rate of the Zaku, typically only three out of five would be in fully-functioning order at any time, hence the need for five machines; oddly this is considered an INCREDIBLY HIGH opperating rate even as late as the Gryps War, so I'm assuming that a lot of the high-spec machines the Titans and AEUG used were actually out of action more often than not in actuality due to being so damn maintenance intensive, leaving most of the combat up to the GM and Zaku types (i.e. the GM II/Nemo and Hi-Zack/Marasai) Also. The Earth Attack Force setup for battalions/companies/teams is roughly based on WWII German Panzer Battalion structure (I say roughly because its not an exact fit). I'd imagine therefore that the TO&E (i.e. how many of this and that from mundane items like radios and equipment/small arms for personnel, up to how many MS and transport/service/support vehicles for MS like Samsons, Sauropeltas, etc. ) would also follow the KStN of German Panzer units more-or-less*, with adjustments for what changes there are - which IMO are only there because they lack enough MS for a full four companies per battalion (possible evidence is in MS IGLOO 2 where the unit roughly corresponding to the Afrika Korps is shown to have four teams of five MS per company - though this makes little sense IMO since Africa was supposed to be the one place MS were scarcest). * I say more-or-less since between 1939 and 1945 unit allotments were revised numerous times, as well as there being certain things there's not really any WW2 to Gundam analogue (or vis-a-vis, such as the normal suits and jetpacks that pilots were issued with) I didn't know Zeon had an official surface fleet. While incredibly rare in appearances as far as I know, it isn't entirely absent: - In the manga adaption of the 0079 storyline the Zeon possess a surface fleet in the Black Sea guarding Odessa that includes battleship and cruiser-type vessels, MS landing ships (that resemble a cross between the Fat Uncle and an oversize WWII LST), and at least one aircraft carrier (more of a super carrier than the smaller Himalaya that is based on the real-world Kiev-class). However they appear to have hover propulsion like giant version of an LCAC, both the way the lower hull is shaped and the way there is a water jet/spray around the sides from the hover system.
My guess is that either these are requisitioned EFF naval vessels captured during the earth drop operation and the following blitz, or - and this mainly applies for the afforemented MS carriers, but could possibly apply to all the vessels - are Zeon-engineered using resources on earth and could possibly incorporate the same type of nuclear hover jet propulsion system the Dom uses (maybe they refitted old pre-OYW EFNF hulls they captured into faster hovercraft types with this newer tech by putting a skirt around the base similar to the one the Gallop has and swapping the conventional engines out with thermonuclear jets? I mean they refitted the Jukon and Mad Angler into MS carriers.)
- In Gihren's Greed another hovercraft-type patrol vessel (basically something akin to a coastal patrol vessel - particularly the hydrofoils used by the US Navy, or maybe the riverine gunboats used by the US Navy in Vietnam, or even a militarized coast guard cutter) shows up patroling the same region in a cutscene about Odessa; these most definitely are Zeon in origin as they look like giant versions of the Sealance. Hm... considering that maybe its a hydrofoil like the Sealance instead of a hovercraft?
- Finally, some of the Kondo mangas (which have a very retro-WW2 meets semi-hard sci-fi feel, ala MaK) feature both Zeon and Zeon Remnant/Neo-Zeon forces using various WW2 throwbacks, including among others Schnellboots, Panzerschiffe "pocket battleships", and camoflaged or otherwise converted vessels (i.e. merchant raiders and auxiliary cruisers/hilfskreuzer); these last show up in use by ZR/Neo-Zeon, probably meaning they're civilian cargo ships the Zeons captured and converted to continue fighting with after their purpose-built ships were either in short supply or lost altogether.
One interesting aspect is that despite being all retro-WW2, many of these ships in the Kondo mangas seem to be adapted to carry marine MS the same way the Jukon was refitted.
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Post by Richter on Nov 26, 2010 4:30:55 GMT -6
- In the manga adaption of the 0079 storyline the Zeon possess a surface fleet in the Black Sea guarding Odessa that includes battleship and cruiser-type vessels, MS landing ships (that resemble a cross between the Fat Uncle and an oversize WWII LST), and at least one aircraft carrier (more of a super carrier than the smaller Himalaya that is based on the real-world Kiev-class). However they appear to have hover propulsion like giant version of an LCAC, both the way the lower hull is shaped and the way there is a water jet/spray around the sides from the hover system.
My guess is that either these are requisitioned EFF naval vessels captured during the earth drop operation and the following blitz, or - and this mainly applies for the afforemented MS carriers, but could possibly apply to all the vessels - are Zeon-engineered using resources on earth and could possibly incorporate the same type of nuclear hover jet propulsion system the Dom uses (maybe they refitted old pre-OYW EFNF hulls they captured into faster hovercraft types with this newer tech by putting a skirt around the base similar to the one the Gallop has and swapping the conventional engines out with thermonuclear jets? I mean they refitted the Jukon and Mad Angler into MS carriers.)
Interesting, I might have to look into this some time. Its unfortunate naval stuff gets sidelined throughout most of the gundam series, you'd imagine it'd still be a pretty big deal to warfare. Going along with this, though I'm too lazy to quote it separately, which other Kondo mangas have ships in them I could look into? - In Gihren's Greed another hovercraft-type patrol vessel (basically something akin to a coastal patrol vessel - particularly the hydrofoils used by the US Navy, or maybe the riverine gunboats used by the US Navy in Vietnam, or even a militarized coast guard cutter) shows up patroling the same region in a cutscene about Odessa; these most definitely are Zeon in origin as they look like giant versions of the Sealance. Hm... considering that maybe its a hydrofoil like the Sealance instead of a hovercraft?
Which GG are we talking about here? I don't recall seeing any Zeon boats in Threat of Axis or Blood of Zeon, but its been awhile since I played either as Zeon.
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Post by zeon4eva on Nov 26, 2010 10:08:15 GMT -6
Would it no be a bad idea to employ the chart above into the game? We could really organize all the Zeon forces? Or is this an admin nightmare?
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Post by Evan on Dec 8, 2010 10:57:36 GMT -6
We usually already assigned people at least in the sense of Space or Earth Attack Force. From there people just kind of chose what they wanted for units. If they wanted a lot of air, they'd essentially be air force. If they wanted to be MS teams, they'd buy that and then be that. So it's pretty open.
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Post by Carlos on Aug 10, 2014 12:09:23 GMT -6
Plus we usually don't have enough people to fill out the roles or even have need of all the roles. ;o
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