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Post by kellen on Mar 9, 2011 23:11:04 GMT -6
I have never seen F91....does that make me a bad person?...or just someone who shouldn't call himself a Gundam fan?...whats your say people?
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Post by Rabite on Mar 10, 2011 13:27:55 GMT -6
Well, I don't think anyone of us have watched every single Gundam or played all the games so... that's ok?
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Post by Evan on Mar 11, 2011 9:23:22 GMT -6
I haven't seen every Gundam and I don't even LIKE every Gundam. However, I have seen F91 and I honestly think you're missing out. I wouldn't exactly say it makes you a bad person... It'd probably make you more of a bad person if you actually did see and were lying about it to us for your own sick pleasure...
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Post by Rabite on Mar 11, 2011 11:11:14 GMT -6
Liking every Gundam... well... *looks at SEED/Destiny* ....Yeah.
Of course, that's just my opinion, I seem to be ok with the side stories, and actually do like the manga/game versions of them, which have different stories.
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Post by Hectator on Mar 12, 2011 15:04:46 GMT -6
Liking every Gundam... well... *looks at SEED/Destiny* ....Yeah. Personally I think SEED and Destiny were both pure gold. If you watch them with the open mindset of them being their own univese/story and don't try to link them to UC in any way a lot of the complaints are totally unfounded and they're no worse than say... Code Geass was. And like Geass there's enough sweet ass and titties to make up for the (mostly) effeminate male leads, and borderline super robot-ness of the "flagship" mecha. Yes, I just called Suzaku and Zero effeminate. Also (kinda like Kallen/Cornelia/Viletta in Geass) SEED is one of the few Gundam series to actually have decent female mecha pilots. Hell, even 00 really didn't do that other than Nena, the combat loli and some of the Innovades - who were actually asexual androids. T_T;; Also did I mention that hot ass? Fllay, Cagalli and the two officers in SEED, and the Hawke sisters, Stella (who makes a better Four than Four) and Meer in Destiny make up for ANYTHING you could possibly gripe about. But not Lacus. No love for Lacus. I'll not even mention all the ones from sidestories/Astray. This post would get all tl;dr if I did.
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Post by kellen on Mar 12, 2011 23:10:46 GMT -6
fair enough. Actually most of the newer ones I haven't had time to watch or have even really seen other then a clip or two...pretty much everything after SEED. I did watch SEED since it was on T.V here, it was decent, like Hector said, just have to come at it with an open mind. I've seen pretty much most of everything before SEED, except the second half of Zeta Gundam I have the first half of the box set and never got around to getting the other half I just brought up F91 cause a video was suggested to me on youtube so for the hell of it I watched it, it was just and AMV but the show looked pretty cool. and I felt like I was missing out
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Post by Carlos on Mar 12, 2011 23:55:37 GMT -6
Seed was alright. Not in love of the missile/beam spam crap. But it was entertaining enough throughout that I didn't hate it.
However, destiny had so many things I absolutely despised, like a flashbackem'all mindest. Fking flashbacks to things we saw just two episodes ago is ridiculous. Or the repeated use of stock footage. People bitch about the main character not being the main character. In my opinion Shin was never really the main character. It was always what's his face, uhh..Athrun.
Which leads me to another thing I hate. Athrun didn't need to be devolved then redeveloped for this show. It's like he took a trip in the way back machine and lost his way. Then had to be developed once again as a character. Same thing with Cagalli, who took the biggest step backwards! From gun totting rebel to a completely useless wimp. It seriously took nearly the whole season for her to come to her senses.
But anyways. F91. Definitely worth the watch. Cool mecha. Cool combat for what there is. Characters aren't that bad.
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Post by Rabite on Mar 13, 2011 3:02:30 GMT -6
Open mind is one thing... but the problem is for the high budget it spent, it sure didn't have the quality to match up with it, you clearly see a good number of the battle scenes are reused, some of them have bugs so units in SEED Destiny actually turns back into their older versions(shots of Freedom when Strike Freedom attacks), magical bending beams...
And like Carlos said, Athrun switching sides multiple times, without much reasons besides staying with Kira just doesn't seem right, Kira surviving multiple explosions, putting Muu back in just because he's popular, rewriting the scripts without good reasons... quite a bit of stuffs I could talk about.
I guess it won't be so bad if 00 didn't come after it, and did good, at least from the videos I saw of it(didn't watch it yet...), it's more interesting, and well made, with less budget than SEED/D, the animations were much better.
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Post by Carlos on Mar 13, 2011 14:08:49 GMT -6
You haven't watched it yet? Get out! Just get out!
I really enjoyed 00.
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Post by Rabite on Mar 13, 2011 23:30:06 GMT -6
I didn't watch an awesome show like Gurren Lagann, what makes you think I'd watch 00? <_<;;
The last Gundam I watched was... SD Gundam Sangokusen, but that's SD Gundam, not regular Gundam...
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Post by Hectator on Mar 14, 2011 23:05:41 GMT -6
Open mind is one thing... but the problem is for the high budget it spent, it sure didn't have the quality to match up with it, you clearly see a good number of the battle scenes are reused, some of them have bugs so units in SEED Destiny actually turns back into their older versions(shots of Freedom when Strike Freedom attacks), magical bending beams... And like Carlos said, Athrun switching sides multiple times, without much reasons besides staying with Kira just doesn't seem right, Kira surviving multiple explosions, putting Muu back in just because he's popular, rewriting the scripts without good reasons... quite a bit of stuffs I could talk about. I guess it won't be so bad if 00 didn't come after it, and did good, at least from the videos I saw of it(didn't watch it yet...), it's more interesting, and well made, with less budget than SEED/D, the animations were much better. 1.) The animation errors are true of MSG and even Zeta though, and you basically fap to that shit. :3 2.) Again, if you don't compare it to UC Gundam alot of those criticisms fall apart since those are basically anime/mecha staples. Things like constantly shifting alliegences for flimsy reasons, or characters who've died not really staying dead, and protagonists who are basically bulletproof (think of Chirico from VOTOMS), etc. 3.) 00; While the science was better founded than even UC, and the grounded-in-the-real-world setting as of the beggining of S1 was promising, the whole execution of the storyline was a big steaming pile of failshit. Again the whole "fighting for peace" ideology is the dumbest shit, and whoever thought it smart/edgy/interesting/a good idea should be shot. Out of a cannon. Into a wall. Hard. Actually... the concept of a war to secure peace isn't so bad, I think its the execution with the conspiracy by a bunch of intellectual tools with immature, childish ideals and bunch of transexual androids. Add the aliens and it just makes it worse. Hoenstly I actually enjoyed Wing a helluva lot more than 00. SEED too. And at least the mecha designs were interesting in Destiny... in 00 after S1 the only thing I liked were the old leftover machines and the only time they did anything but explode was when Sergei used that pimped out Teiren.
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Post by Hectator on Mar 14, 2011 23:07:17 GMT -6
I didn't watch an awesome show like Gurren Lagann... You sir fail. Soso hard. How do you even call yourself a man?
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Post by Rabite on Mar 14, 2011 23:42:44 GMT -6
1. I don't remember about Zeta, but MSG had a pretty low budget, got some of it's story cut off, and though there were some errors, those were drawn by hand, I'll give them credits for that.
2. Usually, when characters that might come back from the dead, you at least see a bit of signs about it, like not seeing their corpses or something... but you see Muu's damn helmet floating around, Kira survived giant explosions that could destroy a MS... and switching alliance is one thing, doing it without a reason is a whole different story, it's not like they're just part time worker for a faction or something...
3. We had at least 5 Gundams that used that kind of story, Wing, GX, SEED, SEED Destiny, and now 00, so not too big of a problem on this part, just that I think it overall did better than SEED Destiny, while costing less.
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Post by Hectator on Mar 14, 2011 23:53:52 GMT -6
On that third one. If you didn't even watch it... how do you even have an opinion on it? You should be discounted outright just for that.
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Post by Rabite on Mar 15, 2011 0:00:35 GMT -6
My opinion that "00 is better than SEED D", is only for the animation part, I didn't say anything about it's story.
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